Soviet and Axis armor in next expansion(s)/coh 2

[Hezs]

You can implement many tanks in eastern front expansion. I have listed out few panzers that I hope will be involved. I'll be adding new tanks when I have more time but here are few.

Edit: I figured that it is possible there will be two expansions, one from first two years of german invasion to Soviet Union all the way to battle of Kursk. Second would be from Kursk to Berlin.
Edit: Added new tanks, but this is not all yet.

1941-1943 Axis units:

Panzer III ausf. J, Upgradable to model L. This will be the basic all-around tank of from tier 2/3 building.

Hitpoints: 450
Speed: same as PIV
Armor: fairly light, buffed slightly in L model
Maingun: Ausf J:50mm KwK 38 L/42, damage 50, range 40, ineffective against KV-1 and heavier tanks, moderate low penetration against T-34 m1941. Good against light tanks and vehicles.
Maingun: Ausf L:50mm KwK 39 L/60, damage 60, range 40, poor against KV-1, moderate penetration (about 40%) against T-34 m1941. Good against light tanks and vehicles.
Reload time: 3,5 s
Cost: fairly cheap

Panzer IV Ausf. F. Infantry support tank against enemy soft targets. Can be modernized to model G.

Hitpoints: 446
Speed: medium
Armor: roughly same as in PIII J.
Maingun: 75mm KwK 37 L/24, damage 75, range 40, ineffective against tanks but good against infantry and weapon teams.
Reload time: 4.5 s

Panzer IV Ausf. G. Medium battletank for various roles.

Hitpoints: 470
Speed: medium
Armor: medium, average against T-34-76
Maingun: 75mm KwK 40 L/43, range 40, damage 95, decent against T-34-76 m1941. Not as effective against infantry as maingun in PIV Ausf. F, but still good.
Reload time: 5 s

StuG III Ausf. E. Call in sturmpanzer able to inflict good damage against soft targets like infantry and weapon crews.

Hitpoints: 416
Speed: Faster than PIV
Armor: moderate, but due to low profile and short main gun this tank is difficult to engage. AT-guns will have 0,75 accuracy against it.
Maingun: 75mm StuK. 37 L/24, damage 75, range 40, ineffective against tanks but good against infantry and weapon teams. Fast rate of fire.
Reload time: 4 s
Cost: medium call in cost

Marder II. Mobile lightly armored tank destoyer. Good against vehicles and tanks.

Hitpoints: 216
Speed: Faster than PIV
Armor: light, offers protection from small arms except AT-rifles.
Maingun: 75mm PaK40/2 L/48, damage 100, range 55, good penetration against T-34 m1941, medium penetration against KV-1 m1942, poor penetration against IS-2
Reload time: 4 s
Cost: cheap

Tiger I. First true heavy tank of wehrmacht.

Hitpoints: 1140
Speed: medium
Armor: heavy, good protection against T-34-76 m1941, medium protection against T-34-85 m1944.
Maingun: 88mm KwK 36 L/56, damage 140, range 45, penetrates T-34 armor easily, fair penetration against IS-2. Good against infantry.
Reload time: 6,5 s
Cost: high

1943-1945 Axis units:

Panther. One of the best battletanks of war.

Hitpoints: 890
Speed: good
Armor: heavy, very good protection against T-34-76 m1941, good protection against T-34-85 m1944. Side and rear armor weaker, T-34-76 can penetrate.
Maingun: 75mm KwK 42 L/70, damage 135, range 45, penetrates T-34 armor easily, average penetration against IS-2. Not as good against infantry as Tiger maingun.
Reload time: 6 s
Cost: high

Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer. Light tank destroyer with potent potent main gun. Can be used to ambush enemy tanks. Can be camoflaged when stationary. First strike from camouflage will inflict 2x damage with 1.5 penetration, but will reveal the tank.

Hitpoints: 315
Speed: medium
Armor: good front armor. Due to very small size, this tank has 0.7 received accuracy modifier from tank and at-guns.
Maingun: 75mm PaK39 L/48, damage 100, range 45, good penetration against T-34 m1941, medium penetration against KV-1 m1942, poor penetration against IS-2
Reload time: 6 s (cramped crew operation space)
Cost: fairly cheap

Jagdtiger. Super heavy call in tank destoyer for defensive role. Must be flanked in order to destroy.

Hitpoints: 1434
Speed: Slow
Armor: Extremely heavy, only few weapons can penetrate front armor (SU 100, IS-2)
Maingun: 128mm PaK 44 L/55, damage against vehicles and tanks: 230, range 55
Reload time: 12 s
Cost: very expensive

Nashorn. Lightly armored tank destoyer with very effective maingun.

Hitpoints: 480
Speed:Medium
Armor: very light, at-rifles will penetrate armor easily
Maingun: 88mm PaK43/1 L/71, damage 155 against tanks, range 60
Reload time: 5,5 s
Cost: fairly high


1941-1943 Soviet units:

T-34-76 model 1941. Very mobile well armored battle tank. Good in the hands of veteran crew.

Hitpoinst: 560
Speed: Fast, though engine sound is louder than in equal axis tanks
Armor: Good
Maingun: 76.2mm Gun F-34, damage 90, range 40, good penetration against Panzer III and lighter vehicles, medium against PIV F and StuG III E, poor against StuG III G, Ineffective against Panther (Edit:front armor), Tiger or heavier tanks
Reload time: 7 s
Cost: medium

KV-1 Model 1942. Very heavily armored but slow battle tank. Good especially in defending areas.

Hitpoints: 940
Speed: Slow
Armor: Very good
Maingun: 76.2mm Gun ZiS-5, similar to T-34 m1941 maingun.
Reload time: 6 s
Cost: high


1943-1945 Soviet units:

T-34-85 Model 1944

Hitpoints: 640
Speed: Fast, engine sound is louder than in equal axis tanks
Armor: Good, slightly better than in T-34-76 m1941
Maingun: 85mm gun ZiS-S-53, range 40, damage 110, will penetrate all medium tanks armor fairly well, average penetration against Tiger, poor penetration against Jagdtiger
Reload time: 7 s
Cost: medium

IS-2. Heavy breakthrough tank against enemy defenses. Good damage against bunkers and fortified positions but can be used for heavy tank destroying also.

Hitpoints: 920
Speed: medium
Armor: Very good, can withstand PaK 40 (main gun of marders, StuGs, Hetzers and PIV) shots fairly easily.
Maingun: 122mm Gun D-25T, damage 210, range 50
Reload time: 20 s
Cost: high

ISU-152. Heavy assault gun. Good for clearing buildings in urban areas, but can also devastate enemy tanks. Can fire over obstacles.

Hitpoints: 920
Speed: medium
Armor: medium, average protection against PaK 40
Maingun: 152mm Howitzer (ML-20S), damage 250, range 55. Cannot penentrate Kingtigers or Jagdtigers front armor, nevertheless deflection multiplier is 0.5, so great amount of damage is still done.
Reload time: 30 s
Cost: high

SU-100. Tank destoyer/assault gun equipped with very powerful maingun. Build on T-34 chassis.

Hitpoints: 632
Speed: fast
Armor: Better than T-34-85
Maingun: 100mm Gun D-10S, damage 170, range 55. Best AT-gun of soviet army. Moderate penetration even against Jagdtiger front armor though flanking is adviced.
Reload time: 8 s
cost: high

[Metternich]

Yeah, I am dying for just about all of that (T-34 and Panzer III especially).

[Stalin1878]

I didn't think the Panzer III could penetrate the T-34 unless from the rear or possibly side?

Edit:

Also, I thought the T-34 could penatrate the Panthers rear and side armor. The T-34/85 could hit the Panther from the front and Tiger from side and rear? The IS1,IS2 pwned all.

[Hezs]

I didn't think the Panzer III could penetrate the T-34 unless from the rear or possibly side?

Edit:

Also, I thought the T-34 could penatrate the Panthers rear and side armor. The T-34/85 could hit the Panther from the front and Tiger from side and rear? The IS1,IS2 pwned all.

Those penetrations are always against front armor. Upgunned PIII:s will have moderate penetration against T-34 m1941 maybe something like (0,4 change or something), but of course T-34 will beat PIII from head to head easily. I don't know how effective PIII L was against T-34, but I guess not very.

Yes T-34 m1941 can penetrate rear and side armor of Panther but not front.

[colep]

Well The PIII was a fast tank with a fast spinning turret, and a fast reload rate, so it probably should be able semi circle straffe a T-34, but the T34's turret wasnt that slow so it could stop a circle straffe if semi microed, and the T-34 could be taken out by panthers and tigers from about 800M away

[Hezs]

Yeah thanks colep, that was my impression about PIII.

[humanoidmanticore]

wait, so the soviets dont have any uber-tanks. And is a jagdtiger like a jagdpanther, but on a kt chassis?

[Hezs]

Well there's no uber tanks like KT and JP now in CoH mainly cos those are just stupid. Jagdtiger will be slower than Tiger and very expensive without rotating turret. And yes it is built on KT chassis.

Hitpoints and build costs of these tanks are based on weight in real life meaning that german heavy tanks will be a lot more expensive than soviet counterparts.

IS-2 and SU-100 will be best soviet tank destoyers, though IS-2 will have slow rate of fire.

[Metternich]

IS 2 was a monster and a super tank in every sense of the word.

The Jagdtiger was a giant tank destroyer with a 128mm HV gun.  Basically, it has the ability to kill a T34 over the horizon.

[MajorStoffer]

t'was the Yamato of the European Ground War, the Maus would have trumped it, but the only ready-to-kick-some-ass model broke down on the way to Berlin.

[humanoidmanticore]

hopefully piats and bazookas should be enough to blow up the turtles, if they show up

[Hezs]

IS 2 was a monster and a super tank in every sense of the word.

Why is this? IS-2 had same weight as panther tank, and it wasn't ideal tank destoyer because of it's very slow fire rate. Though IS-2 armor was good even hetzers which was a 15000 ton tank compared to 46000 ton IS-2 and all tanks with PaK39-40 or better could knock out IS 2.

[Metternich]

Well, it may have had a slow ROF, but all you needed was one hit (120mm HV gun iirc.  That is what the M1A2 Abrams and Leopard II tanks still use).

It had sloping armor, and it was fast for a heavy tank.  Weight isnt everything.  A PaK 40 (75 medium velocity) would not have been effective against an IS 2 at range.  A KwK 43 (88 HV) might have been more effective, but still, not an ideal weapon.

[Hezs]

It wasn't very fast, just a bit faster than Tiger. And PaK 43 had no troubles penetrating IS-2 armor. Pak40 stuggled against its front armor though.

[MajorStoffer]

The ol' 88 could penetrate only at ranges less than 800m, that's the most survivable tank vs. that monster gun out of any Allied/Soviet armour produced. However, for the IS-2s effectiveness, I'd like to piont out my favourite example of its wtfpwn skills. Battle of Berlin, Panther vs. IS-2 at very close range, IS-2 gets shot off first, penetrates front armour, hull, rear armour, and detonates in the building behind the Panther.